So I’ve finally given in and admitted that even if I lose 10 lbs. I won’t fit into my EP chinos anymore cause the rise is just too low for my height. I got a lot of wear out of them, so I’m okay with this, but now I need to replace them. So, eventually, when I start real work again, I’m going with these. They’re pretty much the exact same fit as the Rivet chinos, but with a higher rise, which will be nice. I will be able to tuck my shirt in and not look like I have tiny little legs.